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you

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my name is Cheryl Costa I'm a resident

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of upstate New York

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I'm a journalist for the Syracuse New

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Times and I'm a talk show host on kco

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our digital radio this conversation I

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wanted to have with you about the the

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issue of consciousness as it regards to

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the UFO community

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I grew up in a clairvoyant family

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maternal side of my family on down the

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paternal side my father's had the family

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and an interest in a focus into

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shamanism from from North Africa runs

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down the family so needless to say

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myself and my siblings got kind of a

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double whammy of awareness and since the

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early days of my studying of UFOs back

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in the late 1960s I became aware acutely

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that ESP telepathy and just the whole

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general consciousness stuff was an

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important issue with regards to UFOs

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these days here we are 40 or 50 years

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later I have been a practicing Wiccan

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for for 40 years I lived almost ten

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years in a Buddhist monastery I'm an

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ordained Buddhist monastic and the one

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thing I have come to understand is the

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idea that we as beings are not what we

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see here in the flesh okay we are I am I

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am the the being behind this mask of

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flesh in these eyes okay I am in mortal

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I've had many names but I have none I've

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had millions of lifetime's and and

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everyone is like this okay and that our

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creative spark that God sparked the

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force whatever you want to call it is

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when in each one of us that is our life

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force and that life force is not

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separate from the great consciousness

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that all that is the great mind is the

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Buddhist call it we are connected to

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everything everyone everywhere every

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whim

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it crosses temp time does not exist in

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the context of our living essence in our

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living Souls and that's where UFO ology

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I think needs to get away from the nuts

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and bolts side of things a little bit

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and start looking at consciousness

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because while I can go to another

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country and to people who to different

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languages can't talk to each other if we

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have any amount of intuitive quality

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between us we can get the message across

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on a nonverbal level and I think that's

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what's gonna I think the ETS are waiting

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for us to wake up a little bit more and

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the evidence that I've seen is people

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who have been touched by et experiencers

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abductees that sort of thing we've all

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turned into mystics

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it's weird it's it's um it's these

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people find themselves in this situation

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I've known people who were completely

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atheist or agnostic about their about

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faith subjects made or suddenly their

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spiritual I know people were hell fire

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brimstone bible thumpers and suddenly

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they're a little less Dogma and they're

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more spiritual I've seen everything

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across the board of people that suddenly

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have one of these experiences and

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suddenly their excuse expression

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tree-hugging almost new-age view type

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people and of course because I did live

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seven years in a Buddhist monastery I

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have a handle on meditation and quieting

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yourself and everything and there's a

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lot to be said to quieting yourself and

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of course our culture doesn't want to

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quiet you we've got TV blaring at you on

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a thousand channels we got radio being

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coming through your phone we have all

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kinds of social media coming through

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your phone and people don't have time to

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have that introspection time to listen

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to that little voice in their heart

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which is the connection to everything

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and that's a shame but if you truly

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truly want to be connected and

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understand this whole thing with ET you

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really need to start looking at the idea

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of being connected and learning to quiet

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yourself and you don't have to meditate

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like you know temple Buddhist like a

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Buddhist temple for hours and hours give

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yourself two minutes a day two to five

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minutes the day don't try for longer

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just give me two minutes a day of

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quietness if you have to do it on the

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throne do it there just

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by yourself and just clear the thoughts

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in your head don't worry about the car

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the dog the kids the house just

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two minutes alone with your thoughts I

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think it's important that people learn

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to quiet themselves

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I'm sorry if you think well I don't

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believe in Buddha you don't have to

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believe in Buddhism just accept the

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premise that your can your soul essence

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your spiritual essence is connected to

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everything everywhere

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and and if you look at Christian

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doctrine you know one of the great

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Commandments is love God is love thy God

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as I self are with all your heart okay

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and in a second part of that is love thy

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neighbor as I simple et's a neighbor

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might be a long ways neighbor but he's a

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neighbor okay

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and by quieting yourself might just open

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your heart enough that your neighbor

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might speak to you and a lot of people

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who have been experiencers have had very

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one summer after they got past their

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fears and everything have had wonderful

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experiences with those folks and this is

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an important thing and if

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if we're going to have disclosure it's

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gonna have to be at a grassroots level

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and it's gonna have to be with more

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people reaching out where their heart

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with joy in their heart and invitation

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in their heart come be with us come

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break bread with us come join us and et

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will come and we've heard many people

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from the the ce-5 or close encounters

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five community say you send out bright

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wishes of great wishes of greetings they

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show up and they dance around in the sky

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so this seems to be the one thing that

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anybody can do you

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meditate a little bit a couple minutes

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worth of quieting a day it makes the

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difference just to two to five minutes a

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day

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don't try and sit there for an hour I'd

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rather have as a as a as a monk I'm

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telling you

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I'd rather have two minutes of good

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meditation than 45 minutes of struggling

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don't be macho about it just learn to do

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two to five minutes and if you get good

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at it you can do one do it two to five

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minutes in the morning do two to five

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minutes a little bit for bedtime fine

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great do it more often you do it the

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better it is I find it grounds me from

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all that all the goofy stuff that goes

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on in the day gives me a couple of

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okay and yes I lived in a Buddhist

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monastery yes I can do 35 40 minutes of

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meditation but for the most part my most

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effective meditation is two to seven

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minutes worth of meditation sometimes

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I'll take a couple of minutes from my

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computer I'll step away sit down on a

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stool or someplace and just quiet myself

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for a few minutes

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and just like go of all stress and you'd

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be surprised how settled to become

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used to be everybody went to church most

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everybody went to church some faith or

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another okay and there have been people

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falling away from the faith okay

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they just got sick the rules in the

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dogma and all of that a lot of people I

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mean most the mainstream debates here in

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the United States I've got a friend of

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mine who's a chaplain a college chaplain

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and she she told me quite literally we

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are hemorrhaging from the pews we are

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losing people left and right but are

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they completely going away from

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spirituality no they're joining

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face-like Wicca suddenly this year

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they're near times last this past

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that said that there are now more Wiccan

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witches in the United States than there

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are the United Church of Christ

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Presbyterians you know so I mean people

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are coming back to spirituality but

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they're they're not doing it through the

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rope verse structure of of the

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traditional Christian Judeo faith and

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and that's a shame there's there's

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there's some richness in those

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traditions but I think they got too full

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of themselves and I think that's what

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people see is the hypocrisy in the

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public face and administration of the

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faiths okay if you go really into the

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Bible there's plenty of wonderful

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teachings but people seem to just want

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to go in there pull out a few phrases

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and beat somebody over a head beat the

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gays over the head beat women over the

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head beat other colors over the head and

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and and that's wrong okay because if you

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look at the greater book and you look at

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the greater story the general story is

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love God the great if nothing else the

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great consciousness whatever face of God

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you want to put on it

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okay in the Hindu faith these have 33

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million gods they all say it's Brahma

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it's that one core God but different

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aspects different phases of God to suit

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and I think that an all-loving God would

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give us a friendly face for whatever we

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perceive we want God to be and I think

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people are embracing that kind of a

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viewpoint and I think they're also

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embracing the idea of this connectedness

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with other people we've got too much

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divisive myths and our culture's and

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like Jesus said love thy neighbor as

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thyself

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all your neighbors don't tell me oh but

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those people don't count okay I hear a

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lot of people saying that these days

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that the immigrants don't count or the

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blacks don't count or the gays don't

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count everybody counts every living

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thing counts

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so here we have that connectiveness with

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sentient beings but we also are supposed

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to have connectiveness with the other

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creatures of the earth God created them

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two of the great creator of great maker

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whatever you want to call it created

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them too so we need to develop this deep

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spirituality not necessarily deep dogma

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that's my viewpoint

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I mean I'm technically an orthodox

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Tibetan Buddhist but I I talk very much

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like us then or I talk very much like a

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very liberal Tibetan galoop a tradition

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which is very reformed nothing has to be

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painted in stone when it comes to your

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beliefs

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just sell simple I have one llama who's

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added to it is don't beat yourself up

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cut yourself some slack but don't let

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yourself get away with murder

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okay relax enjoy it and embrace

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something and let it fill you and the

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best way to let it fill you is to

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meditate a little bit every day two to

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five minutes a day it's an easy

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discipline I know people they all do

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busy you don't have to go to a temple

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like I said you can just go over there

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and sit in a stool and do it you can go

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in on the throne in the bathroom close

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the door and have two minutes of peace

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as well

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that's the message and people want to

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make your life better

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feel better about things maybe over time

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your awareness will spike up a little

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bit and you might become aware of a

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bigger world around you like my cousins

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and I see there are many things around

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us that most people do not see and one

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of my llamas in Buddhist temples told me

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most people just need to expand the

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reality a little bit

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and people say well ETSI oh they just

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come down here in flying saucers they've

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been walking among us for years we're

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just not psychologically aware of them

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and that's the truth

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and I think people that's that's my big

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message if you want to be connected in

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your faux ology start quieting yourself

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be connected to all that is it's as

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simple as that we tend to view UFOs in a

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physical manifestation context

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I talked to people in the UFO community

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who want to crawl into the cockpit of

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that UFO and look at how are they fly it

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looked a kind of Scrolls look like I've

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had more than one engineer say I want to

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tour their engine room they're strictly

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looking at the physical manifestation of

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it okay

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and how are they going to respond when

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they realize that some of these ships

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are probably living entities into

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themselves and are conscious and

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sentient okay it's a big that's what I

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mean by expanding your reality there are

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things you need to be don't limit what

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you can believe can exist because there

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are things out there that exists that if

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I told you about you would think I was

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breathing ly crazy I've talked to other

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mystics and they say yeah yeah I deal

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with that all the time you know see

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there are people walking around on this

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world who have opened their awareness up

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there are aware of far more things there

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is a great life from sakes where there

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are far more things in heaven and earth

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you know and it's the truth but most

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people have this little tunnel vision of

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what they think reality is

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and they go through the motions of

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day-to-day life like they were enough

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felt like they're in a stage play

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following a script

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that's the only advice I can give as far

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as how will affect your view of UFO

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ology if you expand your reality then

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you might be willing to accept some of

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the more outlandish ideas here and I'm

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not talking conspiracy theory so I know

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people who do not believe they're from

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these things are from another part of

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the galaxy or there may be from another

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galaxy or they're from interdimensional

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beings

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and if they people ask me well what do

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you think Cheryl I think all of the

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above

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just because we don't know how to do it

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doesn't mean they don't know how to do

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it

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and of course there are the cynical

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people to seem to think that you know

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them talking to us would be like us

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talking to the mice you know and it's

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not necessarily like that we're thinking

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sensitive and usually caring individuals

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most of us and if you open your heart to

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them eventually there's going to be

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enough of us who are opening their heart

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to them that they're going to say okay

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now we can week now we can talk to these

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people I think the people they've

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already talked to are the people they

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have had experiencing and and what we

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call duck shion's

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I think it's just the abduction thing is

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overblown as Bob about what four years

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all I've ever heard I'll give me an

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example number a couple of years ago I

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was that a UFO Congress and I had asked

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because I was press I was forbidden to

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be at the the experiences meeting was

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like a Alcoholics Anonymous meeting at

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seven o'clock in the morning every day

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at the conference right for experiencers

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to come in and share their stories and I

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after a couple of years from not being a

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go there I went to the psychologists who

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who act who act like a moderator for it

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and I said but I'll leave my press

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passes upstairs and I'll forget on my

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journalists I'm not gonna out anybody

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I've just like to come and learn is I

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had been exposed to the same stuff like

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on the upper cable channels you know oh

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I got abducted I got a probe they did

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this they did that you know and I said

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oh I can I just come and listen i

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half-expected

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to go in and meet 35 or 40 people crying

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in their coffee that they got probed

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okay or they got stuck with an implant

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or something I get into this meeting of

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the experiencers and there was a hundred

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and seventy-five people in there and

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this this meeting had all the energy of

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a tent revival it was up it was excited

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while those offers are cool

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it completely opened my eyes to a

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different reality that maybe this isn't

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what we're being dull

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that contact with the ETS is a negative

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experience and whitley strieber has

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shown us that it's much bigger than we

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think it is

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John Mackey said it's much bigger than

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we think it

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and so that's what I think the benefit

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is open your mind a little bit you don't

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have to believe in every conspiracy

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theory out there I don't believe in

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every conspiracy theory out there but in

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the idea of consciousness and the idea

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of a spiritual connection to other

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beings of intelligence and compassion a

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firm believer in that

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there's been evidence of people who have

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been cured by the ETS there's been a lot

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of evidence of that and the free people

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the egg were Mitchell foundation people

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they've got lots of documented evidence

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of people who said that you know when

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after they touch they went from whatever

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they were to becoming a very spiritual

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almost mystical individual something to

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this numbers don't lie I'm a

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statistician yes so that's all I have to

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offer I think under meaning sample you

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talk about

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how this fills you I might be good my

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college degrees in the arts and it was

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achieved later in life okay

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in high school I graduated in the bottom

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corner of my class I was not a math

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person and people who I went to school

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with when we published our book a

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statistic - said Cheryl where did that

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come from and we sometimes hear people

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in the creative arts say well sometimes

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there's this divine kiss so to speak I

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think I had this esoteric download from

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someplace and it was suddenly I could do

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this okay

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and that I think is the important thing

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there have been too many instances where

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you talk to a playwright or a composer

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or an artist and they say I know it's a

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lovely piece thank you very much

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I didn't really well I did the work it

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came from someplace else and this is a

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good example of what I'm calling call

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the esoteric download from other loving

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beings who want to create something

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beautiful and let you be the mechanism

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to make it you know and there's lots of

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examples of this in our culture if you

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look at it

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and especially child prodigies you know

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these five-year-old kids that are

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playing Mozart Lee concert pianists you

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know that is esoteric download and we've

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got enough examples of it and should